Riot Again??

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Anonymous

Just wondering why SIFF didn't bring in RAMSI for this game. This is not something new, they should have learnt from past experiences. I think this will be a big issue to solve. This may stem from a lot of social issues - and I think this is definitely done by youths (masta lius).

Some avenues to consider would be youth employment, youth urban drift, drugs, youth behavioral development, education system, youth support systems. Rioting, burning, etc, will become a common and easy thing for the youths to do if they were not developed and brought up with the right attitudes that the nation wants.

From the other side of the coin, or from another perspective, youths may've acted as such if they see the people at the top are not living the standard they should be living. Recall the China Riot?? It was common knowledge from the public's view that the rioting occurred because the public saw corruption within the elected ruling party in the Govt. Thus they show their dissatisfaction through such actions.

I dont know, I am only assuming based on these historical facts, that this burning maybe related to such as well. I 100% believe that the burning is not only because of the referee's decision to disallow the goal. Like I said, it stems out from a lot of issues.

Putting these youths behind bars will not solve this. It has to start from within the person, there has to be a behavioral change and it's up to the govt to control and shape the next generation. They can embed it into the educational sytem and by the time the kids leave schools they should be in their youth age but with the right attitudes. It will be very hard to control the current youth generation now. You have seen it in the media, there are high rates of crimes recently, stealing & burglary one of the highest.

The govt should do a study of the current youth behavior and society behavior and proposed ways in which they can tackle or reduce such high rate of youth crimes. It's a growing virus in our country now!

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neo
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shame on the Eagles fans

shame on the fans.  this kind of action has no place in modern history.  oketa what nao mekem ya? primitive single celled organisms?
disagreements with SIFF or anyone can be settled in civilised ways...nafu for umi killim umi seleva na...
u fala moa

Ranlus (not verified)
It's true as others mentioned

It's true as others mentioned about this riot may perhaps due to wide range of issues. I would like to say that it is also due to our attitude and behaviour, for example, that we fans think that our team Malaita nao fo win, nothing less, and we as fans don't want to see our team going down to Honiara or other teams. We think that we are better off in soccer than anybody else in the country. We lack the sport-man like attitude and this has taken us nowhere in regional and international level.

Secondly, it is a good lesson for SIFF that once again remind them that Lawson Tama is unsafe, so pliz build a proper stadium or build it in other provinces to avoid the hooligans in Honiara.

Thirdly, some kind of measures have to be taken so that in future the hooligans know what are the consequences like, for, example heavy fine for Malaita team and ban for certain years, this will send a clear message to the fans, that your action is detrimental to the sport most people in Malaita love.

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shameful act but SIFF must bear responsibility

I do not condone the actions of the hooligans but SIFF failed in two aspects.
1.  Like everyone has said, it did not provide adequate security
2.  It did not build a proper stadium.  A well constructed stadium can allow SIFF to control what kind of fans enter the stadium.  It may give SIFF a chance to install security cameras to monitor fan behaivour.  It will allow SIFF to contain violence to certain sections and avoid spread.
They decided to upgrade an existing one therefore making it prone to these kinds of attack.
Those two things need to be looked at again.  One is short term, the other I believe is long term.  Given the millions that FIFA pours and has at their disposal, getting #2 should not be a problem.

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Shame shame shame

This is such a shameful incident. What a waste of a community assett. Thoughts should also go out to the business person whose shop was looted too - it must have been terrifying. It makes me think twice about moving back to Honiara. Hmmm, Gizo....

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Malaita Province must be Banned

I am appalled when I read about this incident, those who wrote about the incident either don't know basic journalistic ethics or are just pure arrogant. They blamed the Referee and Match Officials for provoking Malaitan fans, just what the hell is wrong with us? Where is "sanity" at? gone? dead? Do people know whats going on? are they so dumb, blind? or are just out-right stupid? The responsibility of the match officials is not to please the fans, but to officiate according to the laws: rules and regulations of FIFA.To blame the officials for provoking fans is absolutely stupid and a very bad journalism! 
In fact, this is not the first time that Malaita fans resorted to violence when their lost a match during Sologames. Last time they destroyed Chinatown, so this is the opportunity for the SIFF to do something about it, ban the Malaitan Soccer team for a year or two and show them that SIFF is not an office you can play around with.
NO WANTOK SYSTEM TUMAS, you are destroying Solomon Islands in every sector! 

He who has never learned to obey...cannot be a good commander.
Aristotle

malmade (not verified)
secuity arrangement @ fault

Wantoks i am a malaitan myself and i condemn the what happened over the weekend at Lawson Tama.

However, my take on this is that human behaviour/feeling are unavoidable but rioting and looting can be avoided. Should our self praise SIFF, HTC, police force and RAMSI put their act right the incidences happened at LT and CT would not have happened.

maybe some of the institutions in our society need to pull up their belts.

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malmad, mentol

Wait a min, "SIFF, HTC, Police Force, and RAMSI Put their act right the incidences happented at LT and CT would not have happened?" Did I get that right? This is none sense, absolutely stupid! We really need to grow up and grow some nuts! think about what you are saying here Mal, because it has nothing to do with anyone, except those who took upon them the task of looting and burning when their team lost their match. There is no "justification" anymore for such stupidity, at least from a sane-man's point of view. This is the typical mentality, the reason why our nation is easily fallen to chaos. When are these nut-cases going to take responsibility for their illegal, unlawful act? 
Last time Malaita Soccer team lost, they burned Chinese shops... good heavens, these Chinese only know how to play pingpong! but they got a huge price to pay for something they didn't even particiate in. I also remember in 2005 when the Australian U20 took on Solomon Islands in one of the most humiliated matches for the homeside, stones began falling from the top of the hill, but the Police were quick to react with the help of RAMSI. The next day, on ever hard copy newspaper, RAMSI was blamed for provoking the fans! that was a complete lie, and a sign that our people are having problem understanding reality! 
I want the SIFF (an organization dominated by Malaitans) to take the most honorable thing and ban Malaita Soccer team for a year or two. These are the rules and regulations set down by FIFA, and if teams in Soccer clubs in South America, Africa, Asia and Europe are bound by the same regulations and disciplined according to these regulations, why not Malaita Soccer Squad? 
We are nesting a serious social problem that will once again bring back the horrors of the 1998. Blaming the wrong people wont deter criminals from repeating this stupid actions. Unless SIFF shows they have the balls to do the right thing, others will follow the same stupidity.

He who has never learned to obey...cannot be a good commander.
Aristotle

yoyo (not verified)
Ban Malaita team

Ban Malaita Team. This is not the first time Malaita fans had done something stupid. Ever since Solomon Cup was initiated, Malaita fans continued to at least wreck havoc in ways that disrupt the tournament.

a malaitan (not verified)
SHAME

SHAME ON YOU MALAITANS FOR RUINING OUR BELOVED SOLOMON ISLANDS IN EVERY WAY YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO SO, IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE POLICE ARRIVAL WOULD YOU HAVE BURNT DOWN CHINATOWN AGAIN, MAYBE MOVE INTO POINT CRUZ TOO, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME AND IT IS NOW PARTLY SHAMEFULL FOR ME TO BE AN EDUCATED MALAITAN WHO CAN REASON FOR WE HAVE VERY FEW WHO DO SO.

Rural Lokol Boy (not verified)
Should we blame Police or Crowd?

Am interested to know how the writers structure and present their ideas in this forum. I take that this forum is also a good place to develop such writing skills, thus wish to throw in my analysis.

Having read the discussions so far, what @malmade said is true in some sense from one side of the view and what @conservative said is also true in another sense. Had Police & SIFF, (and maybe RAMSI) organized themselves, there would have been tighter security around Lawson Tama, they would have contained the rioting and burning. The Minister of Police even admitted in Parliament that there was not enough police presence because of some mis-communication.

Another side as stated by @conservative is the attitude of individuals. Had they have right attitudes they wouldn't commit such criminal activities. However, you cannot change attitude overnight, but you can arrange Police and RAMSI overnight. Organizing RAMSI & Police would have been a short term solution, changing someone's attitude would be long-term. You would put that in the education curriculum, help them develop the right attitudes while they are still kids until they leave school. You cannot do that now with the current rioters & hooligans. Dont know whether putting them behind bars would change their attitude at all.

I dont know of anytime before @Conservative said that Chinese shops were burnt because Malaita Team lost. @Conservative even admitted that Police & RAMSI were quick to react to an earlier riot at Lawson Tama. He further suggested SIFF to ban Malaita team. In some sense he is agreeing again to what @malmade said that Police,(and RAMSI) & SIFF should put their acts right by doing such actions to prevent such riots.

So @malmade can comfortably say that @conservative is the insane, mentol, stupid writer in this case.. ha ha.. cos he doesn't know how to structure his arguments against what he thought @malmad was mentol about.

cheers

malmade (not verified)
ezy nomoa @ rural local boy

@rural local boy esy nomoa lo @conservative. He must having being a rioter or looter in other ways as can be seen in his ideas to rectify the occurrence of rioting and looting in any society. He could be one...who knows.

Sitting arrangement at LT esp at the hill side is still a problem that SIFF should address to prevent rioting developing during a game of sport. and i will still blame SIFF if it does not build its facility properly. It always start from there and came on the field and out to the street. Can SIFF have every spectators seated on proper seats and stop people from using the hill side to avoid drawing of stones and objects next time. HTC should not allow LT to be used unless sitting arrangement is properly done.

SIFF should not only think of the gate taking but should also consider possibility of loss to Honiara and its citizen what HTC should emphasis to SIFF during their planning.

Rural Lokol Boy (not verified)
was only analysing...

@malmade, I was only analysing, paraphrasing what you and @conservative said earlier, using the same words. My apologies to @conservative for throwing back those same words you threw at @malmade.. relax bro, was only analysing.

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Not really Rural Lokol Boy!

Rural Lokol Boy,
I can see you are approaching the whole situation with a very objective view point, but you missed my point miserably. Had the police force acted quickly and swiftly like they did in 2005, things would have been different, right? maybe/maybe not! I didn't raise the 2005 events to compare the effectiveness of the how they responded then, and how they responded last week. It may not have been severe as it was SI against Australia, but in the case of last week Mala felt very humiliated and they resorted to what they know better, turning to the wrong place. Re-read my writing... I was highlighting the "blame game" that ensued after RAMSI and our Police arrested idiots who threw stones at the Soccer ground.... the same blame game that Malmade threw at the Police and RAMSI in his post! I remember one time when our Police and RAMSI responded quickly, it was at our Parliament building during Snyder's election. Yes, after that we had a whole Chinatown in ashes and police cars in flames! I think its time to quit this stupid blame game and focus on attitude.
Isn't this the same attitude that brought about the 1998 Guale uprising? The killing of innocent people at Mt. Austin? rape of Guale woman at Tasahe? isn't this the kind of aggressive behavior that brought out country to its knee? Oh, we have some one to blame! the Police! Back in the 1990s (I think 1993 or 94), Malaitan fans destroyed China town and some shops at Kukum because Mala lost to Honiara. Although the damages were not so bad, Chinese people were affected by something they had no part in. The blame was leveled against Police, not Malaitans! When are going to go to LT and watch a game without expecting a riot? Maybe in the next 100 years since that attitude doesn't change over night! 
Back to the attitude issue. I didn't say that attitude changes overnight, did I? attitude won't change unless it meets its own consequences in life. The problem here is that Malaitan fans always got away with this kinds of behavior. Unless they are punished for this, they will keep doing it. Look, England where Soccer was founded, was booted off World Cup for a few years for the same crap that Malaitans did then and last week after their team lost.  If England was reprimanded for such stupidity, why not Malaitan fans? Such excuses (attitude doesn't change overnight) is the reason why this stuff keep happening. My call for SIFF to discipline Malaita province is not because I hate Malaita, it is because that is the most honorable thing to do, which is also inline with FIFA regulations. Which part didn't you understand Lokol? Attitude many not change over night, but that overnight cannot be every night; there must be a night when these idiots get what they deserved and this should be it! 
I turned to believe that in every action there is a reaction; in our case, it seems that there is no reaction. I am not sure whether it is wantokism, fear of being beaten up, I don't know, but SIFF better pick its arse up from the ground and do something about it. I call for the ban of Malaita province and hope such will give other provinces lesson to learn.
Hem nomoa from mi!

He who has never learned to obey...cannot be a good commander.
Aristotle

User1 (not verified)
atleast we have someting in common.

@consevertive at least you agree with me, some of the institutions in our society need to pull up their belts. Had SIFF enforces a ban on a Team whose supporters cause trouble, there could be limit riot or bad mouthed of games official. But I don't want erectic reaction becos someone cause something good or bad to happen.
But on this issue of security and sportsmanship of sport in esp soccer SIFF and Police and society need to be proactive than regret and react to their shortsightedness.

House boy (not verified)
SI CUP

I'm not a journalist, but I think what the Reporter had reported was a fact. The Lawson Tama incident begun when fans were displeased with the decision of the Refree. Another point is that whilst the Refree's decision is final, however this doesn't mean that the Refree is always right all the time. This means that Refree cannot be excepted from any blame, unless a proper investigation prove otherwise.

Also to jump to conclusion by suspending Malaita Eagle and alluding that Malaita fans were the ones who should be blamed for the unfortunate incident was baseless. Simply because not all Malaita fans were directly involved in that criminal activities at that time. It may be few who wanted to take advantage of the situation. Similarly, the China Town issue may be fueled by opportunist rather than die hard fans and who knows it may Malaitans or other fellow country men from other provinces.

I prefer an independent investigation to be contacted into the incident purposely to come up with recommendations not to repeat such incident from occuring in the future. Unless this is done,to put a blame on any party (stakeholder) is baseless, and there would not be qurantee that such incident may not happen in the future.

Thanks.

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independent inquiry is a great idea

House boy, I support your idea 4 da independent inquiry.  I think it is a good idea that SIFF needs to look into.  Obviously they are unable to come up with effective plans to curb this kind of soccer violence so an independent body set up to investigate and then recommend the way forward is a great idea.  How do we get SIFF to listen?  Me fala lo Malaita tired for being stigmatized by incidents like this nao...there r some very sincere Malaita people who are deeply embarrased by this incident.

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It must have given up on life..

It must have had gotten sick of standing in the same place.. Maybe it wanted to end it once and for all, and just had to end its misery by attempting suicide on the rock in my hands...
I do not know why it choose me.. I was strutting around aimlessly around China Town after watching Honiara beat Malaita Eagles in a match that did not end for one reason or another. I had a rock in my hand that I had picked up earlier on because a lot of others had done the same.
Somehow the poor chinese shop decided to end it's life at the moment I happened to pass through with that rock in my hands. It jumped onto the rock, it's windows shattering, and a good potion of it's goods spilling out.
For what ever my contribution to the incident was worth, I was innocent. Years earlier, some sister shops had done the same when the Eagles lost to Honiara.
Luckily for me, some police blocked the shop from smashing me to the ground.
And the poor owners.. I felt for them.
I thought I head one of the shops whisper with it's last breathe.. " Please build me at Koa hill, Matariu, Fulisango or Kaibia, and move those villages down here. For I feel like committing suicide every time th eEagles looses.

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